i find very vexed and difficult these kind of high-level, normative questions about is this good or bad for democracy, the system we have, um, and i don't -- i have no sharp answers, you know? but i think, i think there are -- i would agree with the proposition there are real costs to the system. let me just say one other quick thing on whether it's good or bad. you also, um, you mentioned earlier the common, um, critique that who is scott shane and "the new york times" to publish these secrets, and, um, this is an affront on democracy, you know? we have elected leaders and yet "the new york times" or the individual leaker is talking about drones. um, i think what i was saying earlier provides a partial response which is that that rests on a very thin, implausible conception of democracy in the sense that, um, our elected leaders have effectively blessed, um, talking to scott shane about these things in their practices if not in the laws they technically, they put on paper.